Author: Gold News Club
Source: Bill Powers for Streetwise Reports 02/05/2020
Bill Powers of Mining Stock Education speaks with Greg Crowe, president and CEO of Silver One Resources, about his company’s new Phoenix silver project in Arizona as well as the company’s plans for 2020.
In this interview, Silver One Resources Inc.’s (SVE:TSX.V; BRK1:FSE; SLVRF:OTC) President and CEO Greg Crowe discusses the company’s new Phoenix Silver project in Arizona with its spectacular grab sample assays as well as the company’s plans for 2020.
Bill Powers: Silver One Resources just released a press release about a new project in Arizona with some stellar results that make you look twice at those pictures in the press release and here to talk about it with me Silver One’s President and CEO Greg Crowe. Greg, please break down for us this press release that you put out today.

Greg Crowe: Thanks, Bill. We’ve been looking around at other silver opportunities and we happened to come across one in Arizona, which is right next door, of course, to Nevada. So it’s not that far away, but what we like about it is there are some spectacular vein fragments, and I say they’re vein fragments because they’re very angular and they have this inter-growth of crystals that suggests that they haven’t been transported very far. Most of the property is covered by overburden, but these vein fragments, one of them that was assayed returned a spectacular 459,000 grams per metric ton (14,688 oz/ton). So that is a phenomenal return. That was from about just under 20-pound sample.

It was just lying under the overburden on the surface. Another one came back, it was 417 pounds. Probably one of the world’s largest solid pieces of silver. Now what intrigues us is this property is set just on the outer margin of an extremely prolific producing copper camp with giants, such as BHP, Rio Tinto, Freeport-McMoran, Capstone, all mining in that particular area. It’s just east of Phoenix near a small town called Globe, which is a big mining center. Also the brand new Resolution copper deposit, which is a joint Rio Tinto BHP project. It occurs in this camp and that thing boasts about 1.78 billion tons of mineralization at 1.53% copper. It’s going to take another 10 years to bring it into production, but it’s a huge camp. These silver deposits that some of them historically were mined in the late 1800s lie just on the outer margins of this big copper camp.
So what did we find here? We’ve got this project. We know there are vein systems striking east-west, and the projection of those vein systems occurs just up-slope from where we’re finding these huge big silver fragments, which we interpret to be pieces of the vein that have spalled off and rolled downhill. So our job is to go on to this project, which we have the right to acquire 100% of. If you read the news release, you’ll see the terms there. Big payments are pushed back to the third and fourth year. So it gives us time to explore it. And if we’re successful, then finding the source of some of these big vein fragments, then this could be a very, very rich vein system that we would move rapidly to develop it and possibly exploit.

Bill: If a skeptic was listening to us speak today and reading the press release, could they say to themselves, “Yeah, you have this big chunk of silver here, but that doesn’t mean that you’re going to find anything economic.” What would be your response to that person?
Greg: There are never any guarantees in life in anything apart from, of course, death and taxes, but quite frankly it’s like any other exploration level project. You never know until you drill things off. Our goal is to explore it. We’ve structured our deal where for the first couple of years the payments are not that onerous. We get to go in and we get to explore. This is a prime opportunity. It is extremely rare, if not totally unheard of, to find pieces of silver lying on the ground, particularly in developed countries like Canada and the United States where a lot of exploration has already taken place. This is an ignored silver camp and yet these fragments are still there waiting to be found. They obviously came from a source and if that source is nearby and on the property, we will do our best to find mineralization in-situ that we’ll be able to develop.
Bill: One of the pictures in the press release shows a 417-pound fragment. I understand this native silver fragment contains up to 70% native silver? That’s just amazing.
Greg: The only thing you can say for that is, and I have to qualify this, is up to 70% native silver. That was not determined by an assay. That was determined by what we refer to as a specific gravity measurement and the reason for that is this is a specimen quality fragment. In order to keep it in its pristine state in its entirety, and this is still held by the owners. This is not held by Silver One. It did come from the property. What we need to do is make sure that we find the source of that type of mineralization because it wouldn’t take many of those to build up ounces of silver.
Bill: How was it found? What’s the story here?
Greg: There’s some prospectors who kind of have held the property for a while and they were out on the property. They found a couple of small little pieces and they thought, “Oh, there might be more here.” So they went back and they brought some metal detectors and they started looking around and they uncovered some of these nuggets. So they went and they did a deal with some people that I know and then we ended up doing a deal with them to acquire a 100% interest in the project.
Bill: You just closed a nice financing. Can you break that down for us and then talk about how you’re going to use those funds to explore this project as well as your other projects?
Greg: This was a totally oversubscribed financing. It started out fairly small, but it kind of grew as investors called in and they wanted a piece. So we did decide to increase the size of this financing. In essence, what started out is around C$1 to 1.5 million, actually closed on January 20th at C$5.2 million. That financing was done at 25 cents with an attached half warrant at 40 cents. We also secured the interest of our largest shareholder, Eric Sprott, who came in for about C$1.5 million of that C$5.2 million. So we have a good treasury right now. What we plan on doing is move forward.
We’re continuing to drill the Candelaria project (127 Moz Ag historical resource). So as we get results in, we’ll be issuing that news over the coming weeks and months possibly. In terms of the other very high grade prospect that we have in eastern Nevada (Cherokee project), we’ll be doing some work there this year. Then, of course, in this new acquisition we want to get in and do some evaluation. Probably the first steps we’re going to take there are to go and do some surface work trying to really prospect the whole project because it’s never really been gone over with a fine tooth comb. On top of that we’d probably do some geophysics and some detailed geochemical work and see whether we can find the trace of those veins and if we are fortunate, we’ll be able to find some in situ mineralization that will be extremely exciting.
Bill: So the drills could be turning after you do the geophysical and the ground survey regarding the Arizona Phoenix Silver project?
Greg: Possibly. That might be later this year. It might even be next year. We’ll just see how fast things develop and whether lady luck allows us to find a zone worth drilling.
Bill: So what would be your burn rate for investors wanting to know how far this C$5 million will take you?
Greg: Our burn rate, G&A is probably about US$1M a year. All right. Property payments, etc., etc. The actual exploration that we’re doing, we’re probably spending another several hundred thousand on completing the drill program at Candelaria. We have not set a budget for the exploration on the eastern Nevada Cherokee project just yet. We’re going to review that. We’re still waiting on all of the final last things to come in from the sampling that we did up until Q4 of last year. Then on top of that, I look at probably spending upwards of about $400,000 or $500,000 on the new prospect in Arizona. Then, of course, if we do come up with some interesting results and we want to drill, then we’ll increase that. So I think we got another, if we stretch our dollars, etc., we’ve got another a couple of years’ worth of treasury left in the account.
Bill: Over the next few months are you going to have most of your press releases coming out of Candelaria?
Greg: Well, certainly coming out of Candelaria, but if we get some good results on this Phoenix Silver project, I want to move as quickly as we can in terms of starting to do this. So we might see in a couple of months some news coming out of this project as well. Eastern Nevada Cherokee project, we will get some results coming out of that based on last year’s sampling. The weather’s a bit inclement right now, so we’re not going to get back in there for another two to three months before we start some work down on that project again. So that’ll be pushed back into Q2, Q3.
Bill Powers is the host of the Mining Stock Education podcast that interviews many of the top names in the natural resource sector and profiles quality mining investment opportunities. Powers is an avid resource investor with an entrepreneurial background in sales, management and small business development. His latest interviews can be found at MiningStockEducation.com.
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The Case for Buying Precious Metals
Source: Maurice Jackson for Streetwise Reports 02/05/2020
Maurice Jackson of Proven and Probable speaks with Andy Schectman, president of Miles Franklin Precious Metals Investments, about the rationale for buying precious metals and the best values at this time.
Maurice Jackson: Joining us for a conversation is Andy Schectman, the president of Miles Franklin Precious Metals Investments. Recently we discussed the prudence of implementing ratios as an effective strategy for readers in identifying buy and sale signals for their precious metals portfolio. Today we’re going to expand the narrative further on buy signals and discuss the best values right now, what to buy should we experience a broken-down system, and a very important topic protecting your financial legacy. Before we begin, Mr. Schectman, for first time readers, who is Miles Franklin Precious Metals Investments?
Andy Schectman: This month Miles Franklin is celebrating our 30th year in business in Minneapolis. We’re a family owned company. We have eclipsed $6 billion in transactions without ever having a customer complaint, ever. We maintain an A+ rating with the Better Business Bureau. We’re one of fewer than 25 companies ever approved by the United States Mint as an authorized reseller of their product and in a federally non-regulated industry and we’re very proud of that reputation. We really are an association with people like yourself and Rick Rule and other icons in the industry. We’re very proud of all of our accolades and of our reputation, but the state of Minnesota where we’re located could care less about our reputation.
That’s the only state in the industry in the United States that regulates the precious metals industry. We are licensed, we are bonded, and we are background checked. Everyone in the company from clerical staff to salespeople to principals like myself. Background checked every single year, continuing education and compliance that’s mandatory, and a surety bond that has made most of the competition throughout the United States boycott Minnesota. What it means in essence, we have a great reputation, but the state of Minnesota puts an exclamation point on that basically guaranteeing the safest transaction in the precious metals industry.
Maurice Jackson: Andy, before our interview you made a valid point there, that really should be the theme for today’s interview and that was the central banks are preparing and so should we. That really resonated with me because all too often I find many investors focus on the Federal Reserve and what their next move is on interest rates and how the secondary market will respond. Just what exactly are central banks doing and why?
Andy Schectman: In the 1990s all the central banks signed on to what was called the Washington Agreement, and I could never understand why they all wanted to sell their gold and so fast, and the central banks with the Washington Agreement were limited to 500 metric tons per year, the amount that they could sell, so as to not completely destabilize the precious metals market. I remember that’s when Gordon Brown and the Bank of England finished selling all of their gold as it approached $280 an ounce. Didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. To this day it still doesn’t. There were four reasons that would’ve pushed them into doing that. Number one, gold doesn’t pay interest. Number two, gold costs money to store. Number three, the return is not predictable. There’s volatility, but the biggest reason, the fourth reason, was the tier three asset status where the amount calculated on a balance sheet was only equal to 50% of the value.
So the denigration of the balance sheet, the inability to sell bonds and to transact international business by a factor of 50% would have made the central banks want to line up to sell their gold. As of April 1 of last year, as you know, the reclassification of gold through the Basel III agreement to the only other tier one asset on the planet next to U.S. dollars and Treasuries has made these central banks run from selling gold, run to accumulating it. In 2018, they bought more gold than at any time in the previous 60 years. Last year that number was up almost 90% and this year, every small central bank from Central America to Eastern Europe is loading up on gold. They are de-dollarizing quietly and accumulating gold unlike any time I have ever seen in 30 years in this industry.
Maurice Jackson: When I think about the Federal Reserve, one of their claims to fame is that they’d like to be transparent. I cannot recall the Federal Reserve sharing the information you just shared with us with the citizens of the United States. Am I incorrect in that?
Andy Schectman: No, they don’t. Absolutely not. In fact, when I was a financial advisor a long time ago, I was Series 7 licensed, which is the ability to sell stocks. That’s back when people who sold stocks were called stockbrokers instead of financial advisors. That all changed with the internet and free trades or $9 trades by Scottrade. Everyone all of a sudden became a financial advisor instead of a trader because traders made their money per trade instead of money under management as an advisor. That’s a topic for a different day. To this day, one of the most impactful things I ever saw in 30 years in this industry was page one of the Series 7 Manual. It’s about a 300 page book. Page one, you open it up and it says, and this was the only writing on the page, it said the little man rule. The little man rule is that the little man never wins because the big investor is always ahead of the curve.
So I believe that the central banks were alerted at probably 2017 at the meeting in Basel, Switzerland. They probably were told that in 2019 this was going to go into effect. That’s why they have been accumulating gold so voraciously since 2018 and no one’s talking about it. Until the central banks have properly positioned themselves, then it’ll become front and center news. The old saying about it’s less what you know and more who you know in life really is true all too often. I think they take care of themselves. They being the central banks and the central banks by their movements are de-dollarizing and they’re taking this very seriously. Let me put it to you this way. Gold was up 18% last year. That’s one of the biggest movements that I can ever remember in a year, and no one even notices it because the stock market was up even more.
The movement in gold, I can tell you as someone who owns a precious metals company, was not due to retail investment. We had a good year last year, but our year was characterized much more by large orders by accredited and institutional size investors and less by the average person. In 2011, we were getting 200 orders per day. Last year we were down to 10% of that, but the volume we did was probably greater than 2011. All I can simply tell you is this, is that the 18% movement in gold last year if I had a gun to my head, I would say is 99% attributed to central banks accumulating it on the quiet. They’ve been doing it since 2018 and they did it in 2019 and that trend continues unabated now. At some point when the central banks have properly de-dollarized and repositioned, maybe it’ll be more front and center news, but until then that would crowd them out of their own trade. So it’s the old saying, don’t do as I say, do as I do. Well, that’s a prime example of it.
Maurice Jackson: On behalf of all of our listeners, the retail investor, the little investor, the little guy that you were referring to, thank you for sharing your words of wisdom with us because, again, this is the narrative that we don’t hear. We see price movements, but we don’t understand why and the rationale behind it. We’re truly experiencing a financial system that is breaking down and we have bubbles surrounding us. It’s not a matter of if. What everyone should consider is when and how to prepare. Can a single individual take the same actions as the central banks are taking?
Andy Schectman: Absolutely, the United States by its own admission is north of $120 trillion in debt. Just between the national debt of $22 trillion and the $53 trillion shortfall in Social Security, we’re $75 trillion in the hole. Why is that not front and center news, Maurice, everywhere? You know a trillion seconds ago was 31,688 years ago. So why the hell is that not front and center news, just like the reclassification of gold? The things that matter about the future of our country are being glossed over in favor of trying to impeach Donald Trump for trying to have Joe Biden’s son investigated. The bottom line is it’s a misappropriation of efforts and of energy and of money. The things that really matter are being completely and totally glossed over. When you look at a country that is just between those two things, $75 trillion in the hole, north of a $100 trillion in the hole in unfunded liabilities and things like Medicare and Medicaid and government, military, and pensions, and entitlements.
The U.S. is broke. As we talked about before and I heard on your interview with Bob Moriarty (click here), he mentioned the same thing I did. The largest single asset in the United States is student debt. We have $2 trillion in assets, of which $1.8 trillion is in student debt, which as he eloquently said that people like Elizabeth Warren want the taxpayer to pay for it. The biggest issue is we are a country that’s financially insolvent with nothing in the way of assets. So the most important thing is to ask yourself not how much gold and silver should I own, but what exposure do you want in a currency that is effectively broke and the most sophisticated, well-funded, and influential traders on the globe are quietly exiting stage left. That’s the most important thing. So you do what you can. You mitigate your exposure to the dollar.
One of the slides that I showed at the Sprott show last year was a slide from JP Morgan Private Wealth. This is the division of their company that works with the wealthiest investors in the world, the centi-millionaires and the billionaires and they sent a letter out to all of their clients in this division that’s created quite a stir in the industry, and it basically said that we want you to mitigate your exposure to the U.S. dollar through foreign currencies and precious metals because we believe it is inevitable that the dollar will be challenged at some point for singular world reserve status. Well, there you go. It’s about mitigating your exposure to the dollar. It’s about trying to take some of that dollar risk off the table in a non-dollar denominated asset with no counter party risk. As Doug Casey so eloquently says, gold is the only asset that is not simultaneously someone else’s liability.
When I say gold, I mean silver, platinum, and palladium, too. The bottom line is that you remove counterparty risk when you take possession of it. You remove the dollar risk. Then there’s our friends at Morningstar through Ibbotson have reminded us recently that because of the interest rates being so low, the inverse relationship between stocks and bonds used to be called risk-on risk-off. Well, that’s gone because as interest rates rise, it kills both markets. What they basically said was the only asset left on the planet that has an inverse correlation to the United States stock market are precious metals. So you have inversely correlated assets or an inversely correlated relationship between the U.S. stock market and the U.S. dollar.
You see the most sophisticated traders on the globe doing de-dollarizing. To not recognize this because of price and price alone is a huge mistake because that is the greatest tool of misdirection is price. Bottom line, how do you do it? You just simply buy what you can when you can and slowly de-dollarize. Do as the biggest and most in the know and sophisticated traders on the planet are doing. You de-dollarize best you can as often as you can.
Maurice Jackson: You referenced some household names here. One I’d like to interject, it is Rick Rule. When he makes his reference to precious metals that they are payment in full. That’s something we all should consider there. Precious metals don’t have the word note on them. They’re not an IOU. They are payment in full. Let’s switch the narrative from rhetoric to arithmetic and talk to the person listening right now and share some specific buying opportunities that you’ve identified that will maximize their precious metals portfolio because I find that all too often, most buyers don’t take advantage of the premium fluctuations within their metal of choice. What are you and your most successful clients buying right now?
Andy Schectman: First of all, let’s just talk about the pink elephant in the room and that is the silver price. There’s no question that silver is, in my opinion anyway, that silver is the most undervalued commodity on the planet. While we’re still able to get it, there’s very little that you can think of buying that is as undervalued as silver. What commodity can you buy that’s trading at a third of its peak 1980 peak? I mean you can’t think of anything that you can buy today. Any commodity from food to energy to precious metals that trade at a fraction of what they were trading for in 1980. Silver with the 86 to 1 ratio. The relative relationship between gold and silver is screaming to buy silver. So let’s just say that silver is the best buy period.
With that being said, you could also say the same thing about platinum, I guess, too because the relation between platinum and gold is at its all-time high. I think silver has more utility not only as an industrial metal, but also as money than platinum does. Platinum doesn’t have the history as money, but it’s a great value too. If I’m buying gold, I’m buying the $20 gold pieces. The numismatic gold coins are as inexpensive or on par with or only slightly higher than gold bullion coins and that is a price anomaly. If I’m buying gold on my low grade certified mint state $20 gold pieces for basically the same price as a gold eagle, that is in my career almost unheard of in terms of premium as you mentioned. It’s nonexistent and in 2007–2009 those coins were trading at 60+%, 70+% premium to a $1000 gold price. But even in the 1990s when gold was in the midst of a 25-year bear market, those coins traded at a 20% to 25% premium to gold spot. Now they’re 4% to 5%. It’s as good of a value in gold as I’ve ever seen.
If I’m buying silver, I think it’s very difficult to ignore the value that we find in junk silver bags, 90% by weight, dimes, quarters, and half dollars. Right now as far as their price, I remember when they were $4–$6 an ounce over the price of silver and today you can get them for roughly $0.69 over silver. It’s an incredible value, an incredible bargain. Bottom line is that when you’re buying gold and silver, it’s just most important to focus on maximizing what you get, but not crossing over the penny wise pound foolish threshold by buying too large of a piece.
You always want to maintain good liquidity and flexibility. Typically I don’t go any bigger than one ounce in anything I recommend typically. Whether you’re playing poker or driving on a crowded highway or just investing, you can never have too many exits or too many outs or too many options and so I guess you could easily say in this industry by going big, by buying 100 ounce bars of silver or 10 ounce bars of gold in lieu of a one ounce piece, the savings that you get is not commensurate with the loss of flexibility. If I’m buying platinum, I’m buying one ounce platinum maple leafs. They’re probably the best buy. If I’m buying silver right now, my first choice is going to be 90% junk silver bags. If I’m buying gold, my number one choice is going to be MS61, MS62, or MS63 $20 gold pieces, which are amongst the cheapest I’ve ever seen in 30 years in this industry.
Maurice Jackson: Switching gears, let’s discuss storage and protecting your financial legacy because I believe a number of precious metals investors make a critical error right here. The biggest one in my experience is using safe deposit boxes at their banks. Andy, why would storing your precious metals in a safe deposit box not be in their best interest?
Andy Schectman: Well, there’ve been a couple of banks. I think Morgan Chase came out and said you’re not allowed to store coins or cash in a safe deposit box. Safe deposit boxes are not insured. The contents are not insured. They have nothing to do with FDIC. Furthermore, if you were to have a bank run into problems or there were a banking holiday, they’d close it down on a Friday night and you wouldn’t get into that box until they reopened. Not a good idea. Also, the banks have programs that scour the obituaries and if someone dies and it’s in the obituary, those boxes are sealed until they are opened for probate. So it would be the last place I would store my precious metals.
A safe deposit box in a major institution, a banking institution in the United States, would be the last place I would store my precious metals. I would dig a hole in the backyard and become a midnight gardener before I would do that.
Maurice Jackson: All right. Does Miles Franklin offer a more efficient, safer storage alternative?
Andy Schectman: Yes, we do. We offer several. Both domestic and international, but I would like to talk about the international storage and we actually do have a safe deposit box program in Canada, in Toronto and in Vancouver. We have been given North American exclusive on this program. We’re the only ones who have access to it. These are brand new, state of the art safe deposit boxes where there’s only one key. You as the depositor hold the one key and the only spare. Most people who have used the safe deposit box before will remember the experience of going into the facility, opening up the box with a key. At the same time, the bank administrator will put a key in. You put them in together. That’s the master key and then the box opens. With these they’re just one key. You hold the only key and the only spare.
Our safe deposit box program is fully insured. There are a few things unique about it. Number one, if you Google basic questions and answers Form 8938 you go right to the IRS website and they will say on that website that precious metals held outside the United States in a directly held fashion in a non-financial institution are not reportable. Well, the only example the IRS has ever given as to what they mean by directly held is a safe deposit box in a non-financial institution. So what differentiates our program? Number one, state of the art one key boxes instead of two. The bank does not or Brinks in this case does not hold the master key. Number two, it’s held in a non-financial institution. Brinks is not a financial institution like a bank.
Number three, it’s fully insured whereas stuff held in a safe deposit box in a bank is not insured. Lastly, the way that we bill for this is by the ounce. We’re the only one in the industry that I know of that bills by the ounce instead of by the value. In other words, if you believe gold can only go higher from here, you have a fixed rate with our storage program. So it’s not reportable to the federal government in both FACTA and FBAR because of the fact that it’s directly held in a non-financial institution. The client holds the only key and the only spare. It is fully insured.
I think maybe the biggest reason to consider owning metal outside the United States is look at what the central banks are doing. We started out this conversation by saying the central banks are preparing, so should we, but what are they preparing for?
They appear to be preparing for a dollar that runs into trouble. If the dollar runs into trouble, the first thing that the U.S. government will do, in my opinion, is create or impose currency controls because the inclination of the wealthy if the dollar starts to slide, let’s just say as we’ve talked about before, OPEC says we’re going to accept payment for oil in yuan and ruble, or let’s say the BRICS nations issue a new currency backed by gold. Or maybe it comes right out of China or whatever it is that creates panic selling in the dollar. The very first thing that the U.S. would do would be to close the window of getting money out of the country because the first inclination of wealthy people in the United States would be to buy something from another currency. They would buy Swiss denominated bonds or real estate in another currency, but in order to do that you have to first sell dollars to buy a Swiss bond or to buy a condo in Vancouver.
By doing that, you exacerbate the inflation. You increase the velocity at which things happen. So currency controls if things get bad with the dollar will be the first thing that will happen. Having money outside the country, non-reportable, fully insured, in a fixed rate structure in my opinion makes our storage program the envy of the industry and non-comparable. There is nothing like it. To be able to have money outside the country that fully is legal and no one knows about and won’t go higher in terms of its value no matter how high gold goes based upon the falling dollar, to me is much more than just storing your gold outside the country.
Maurice Jackson: Andy, last question. What did I forget to ask?
Andy Schectman: I don’t think you’ve forgotten really to ask anything, Maurice. You’re thorough as can be. The bottom line is simply this, that I think if people are concerned about things going upside down in this country and you want to buy some metal to protect at home, to me, junk silver dimes and quarters are the best choice in silver and one tenth ounce gold American Eagles are the best in gold. They’re the size of a dime. They’re clearly marked one 10th of an ounce. From a barter standpoint if people are concerned about that, those are the two things to own.
For me, my main consideration when I am either buying gold and silver for myself or recommending it to others is to maximize what we’re getting without decreasing my flexibility. Never ever compromising my liquidity. The things that we’ve talked about today. Junk silver, one 10th ounce Eagles, low-grade certified $20 gold pieces, one ounce platinum coins. These are all as liquid and vanilla as anything you could ever buy. They will maximize your liquidity and your flexibility, never compromising them. I think that if you follow that rule, you’ll never go wrong in this industry whatever you’re doing.
Maurice Jackson: Andy, for the person listening that wants to get more information regarding the safe deposit boxes, what’s the website address?
Andy Schectman: www.Privatesafedepositboxes.net.
Maurice Jackson: Mr. Schectman, thank you as always for sharing your valuable insights today. For someone listening that wants to speak with you, please share your contact details.
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Good Buys Among Resource Companies
Source: Adrian Day for Streetwise Reports 02/05/2020
Fund manager Adrian Day looks at four of the resource companies in his portfolio, three of which he calls good buys at current prices.
Altius Minerals Corp. (ALS:TSX.V, Toronto, 10.71) generated $78 million in royalty revenue last year, following a soft last quarter, with 37% of it from copper. Coal royalties, which dominated after the acquisition of a package of royalties from Sherritt in 2013, are now down to 14% of the total.
Altius has filed a takings suit against the Alberta government, which arbitrarily banned coal-fired power generation; the mine on which Altius has a royalty had a multi-decade contract to supply coal to a local plant. Both the plan and the mine were compensated by the provincial government, but Altius has not been. It took a C$70 million write-off on its investment. We do not expect to see compensation in that amount, but an award, and a substantial one, is certainly possible, though the case may take years to drag through the courts.
New renewable energy venture grows rapidly
Given the limited time frame on its coal royalties and the poor image associated with them, Altius has been using the revenue from coal royalties to launch a new clean energy unit. At present, this comprises two wind projects, though other clean energy project, and other partners, are likely to be included over time. Altius expects this business to become self-sustaining “very soon” as it is growing faster than expected.
Buying royalties a competitive business with lower returns
Acquiring royalties, including those on base metals and other resources, has become more competitive and expensive, as not only new companies enter the space, but also private equity and other players who do seem concerned with realistic rates of return. Altius is expecting going forward more royalty generation from deals on its extensive land package of early-stage resource properties, though these will take longer that purchased royalties before they generate revenue. Altius has proven itself over the years, however, at being able to generate revenue from these deals long before royalty income begins, such as by selling equity interests in new companies formed to advance particular projects.
Hidden value in balance sheet
New debt stands at $82 million, down slightly from the previous quarter. Although the cash balance—at C$22 million—is relatively low, it ignores the value of a junior portfolio of just over $54 million, as well as the value of its holding in Labrador Iron Ore, at $93 million.
The value of the junior portfolio is more-or-less where it stood a year ago, despite Altius having pulled out $19 million. It has also streamlined the portfolio, from 27 to 18 companies, limiting holdings to companies with which Altius has some strategic royalty interest. In addition, Altius has access to capital through its line-of-credit, its relationship with Fairfax Financial, and other partners. It has been aggressively buying back stock.
We have high confidence in Altius’s management, disciplined, patient and imaginative. Together with its solid balance sheet; strong, diverse, cash flow; and vast land package; this makes Altius a long-term holding for exposure to non-gold resources. At the current price, it is a strong buy.
Vista monetizes assets while it guards value at Mt Todd
Vista Gold Corp. (VGZ:NYSE.MKT; VGZ:TSX, NY, US$0.68) continues to pursue optimization at its Mt Todd project in Northern Territories, Australia. At the same time, it continues to seek non-dilutive ways of boosting its cash balance to pay costs as it waits for the opportune time to do a deal on the property. Vista is seeking a partner who will finance and develop the project, while Vista’s interest will be funded by the proceeds of the sale. If this works, it would be a very nice conclusion, though the company is also open to a complete sale at the right price.
Now it is monetizing a royalty it holds on the Awak Mas property in Indonesia. Vista originally had a working interest in the property, which it later converted to a royalty. Now it will receive shares in the Australian company that owns the property plus $100,000, and the owner continues to have the right to convert 50% of the royalty for $2.4 million by April, and now the other half for $2.5 million a year later. This is a good deal for Vista, since the money will come sooner than would any royalty revenue. These payments along with the further $1.5 million option payment in October 2021 on the de los Reyes property in Mexico cover another year’s expenses. With the reduced spend at Mt Todd, overall expenses are upwards for $6 million a year now.
Can it avoid an equity raise?
Vista still owns shares in Midas Gold, currently worth around US$3.5 million; these shares are eligible to be sold in the market at any time. And it owns a used mill which it is offering for sale; that could raise $7 million or possibly more. As of last quarter, Vista had $7.2 million in working capital, with cash just over $4 million; that will be lower at end year. It is possible that the cash, the two Awak Mas payments, followed by the de los Reyes option (perhaps with Midas share sales) could take the company through to the end of next year. It is likely, however, that without a sale of the mill or meaningful movement on a Mt Todd transaction, the company will look to raise some equity funds in the coming year.
Given the attractiveness of Mt Todd—its size and location—and the huge discount at which Vista is trading, patient investors should continue to accumulate Vista at the current level. This is a particularly good time, since, despite the recent advances in both the gold price and at the company, the stock price—which has had a range of 70 cents to $1.35 over the past year—has hardly moved.
Osisko is loudly proclaiming its mission
Osisko Gold Royalties Ltd. (OR:TSX; OR:NYSE, NY, US$9.98), following confusion and opposition after its September acquisition of all of the Barkerville shares it did not already own—which saw the stock drop 24% in one week—plus several high-profile exits from the company, has been making clear that it is not becoming a mining company, and that the core business remains royalties. The new messaging has been a little slow, and the stock has only very slowly begun to recover.
The company has said that its contribution to Barkerville is mostly done, and that it does not intend any additional exploration expenditures. It will look for financing sources and seek to monetize its investment. The company concedes that there is a possibility it would build the mine—the company certainly has the expertise since it built Malartic, one of Canada’s largest recent mines—but would do so with financing from others, and seek to monetize it.
Was it the deal or the way it was presented?
In short, Osisko feels that the biggest mistake it made was not in buying Barkerville, which it said represents tremendous value, but in not clearly stating that it was not turning into a mining company. Barkerville is an extension off Osisko’s accelerator model, which has been a financial success. Given the discount at which Osisko trades relative to other mid-sized and large royalty companies—only some of which is justified, given the higher-risk “hybrid” model—Osisko is a good buy at these levels.
Murphy’s at work at Fortuna Silver
Fortuna Silver Mines Inc. (FSM:NYSE; FVI:TSX; FVI:BVL; F4S:FSE, NY, US$3.92) had more bad news when a Mexican government department served notice it would cancel one of the major concessions at Fortuna’s San Jose Mine if it did not pay $30 million by March due to disputed royalties. The concession represents about 27% of San Jose, which itself represents about one-third on Fortuna’s Net Asset Value, but currently most of its cash flow. San Jose still has a five-year life ahead of it, though the potential for further resources is still there. However, the ore mined has been lower grade of late.
The royalty was allegedly given to the government by the property’s previous owner. Fortuna challenged this in court, but no definitive ruling has yet been made. Fortuna has asked the court for a stay on the latest directive threatening to cancel the concession. Given that the dispute was not widely known in the market, the response has been somewhat muted.
At Fortuna’s other existing mine, Caylloma, in Peru, lead and zinc have become far more dominant, while their prices are down even as treatment charges are up; there has been less silver mined even as the price of silver has appreciated. This combination means that cash flow of $10 million 2019 could drop to $2 million or so at current prices.
Nearly there at Lindero
The development at Lindero, including positive grade reconciliation, perhaps offset the bad news elsewhere. Reports of a dispute with its main contractor at the last minute are also worrying, though that should not cause further delays in the countdown to first gold pour by March. It is important to note that under Argentina’s capital controls, money can be taken out of the country to repay debt, so Fortuna has about 18 months of revenue before capital controls would be an issue.
Fortuna stock has been volatile over the past year, after it was hurt by the Argentina vote favoring the opposition, trending back up more recently on the countdown to first gold pour at Lindero. We would hold here.
Best Buys
Best buys at current prices, in addition to above, include Kingsmen Creatives Ltd. (KMEN:SI, Singapore, 0.375); Lara Exploration Ltd. (LRA:TSX.V, Toronto, 0.57); and Evrim Resources Corp. (EVM:TSX.V, Toronto, 0.32).
Adrian Day, London-born and a graduate of the London School of Economics, heads the money management firm Adrian Day Asset Management, where he manages discretionary accounts in both global and resource areas. Day is also sub-adviser to the EuroPacific Gold Fund (EPGFX). His latest book is “Investing in Resources: How to Profit from the Outsized Potential and Avoid the Risks.”
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